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Screen Tablet malarky => Heyaaaalpppp => Topic started by: jeremyx on January 22, 2007, 01:58:52 PM



Title: depth sensor information
Post by: jeremyx on January 22, 2007, 01:58:52 PM
well i think this is a good place to look for how much play you will have for your particular wacom board people who can confirm this information can you please list it like my example

unstripped pad XXmil
length between pad surface and sensor XXmil

if we can get all the wacom series listed it would help greatly like ultrapad/digitzer/artzpad 1/2 intous 1/2/3 graphire 1/2/3/4 and if there are any hidden ones would be great appreciated

thank you


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Ferret on January 22, 2007, 05:16:10 PM
TabletPC: About 15MM from top of screen protector  8)


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: jeremyx on January 23, 2007, 09:25:57 AM
but their pretty poor for drawing correct?


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Ferret on January 23, 2007, 02:52:45 PM
Hell no!!!!

Penabled is as good as any of this stuff. It's a derivative of the old UD1212 tablets (Even the pens will work interchangeably)

256 pressure levels, 2000lpi!

I'm not talking about a touch sensitive display, this is a Wacom product baby!


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: jeremyx on January 23, 2007, 03:25:28 PM
so how do tablets work do you get like an xp format with keyboard on your screen etc and compared like something like a cintiq how would they draw well another thing is can you play games on it ive never used a tablet/drawing tablet or anything however if i say. hit one corner of the screen then say go to the next corner it picks it up? and instant transists the cursor to that point or can their be options sutch as dragging the mouse in super fast speed i was thinking how narly it would be to play conter strike using this i also play this low qaulity online game its very poor programming with a single coder/owner/director/hillbilly(lol everyone in this game makes fun of him) could it be used like that aswel? im very interest please respond


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Ferret on January 23, 2007, 04:00:48 PM
ARGH!!! Death. . . by punctuation. . .:p

Playing strategy games is good.

The interface sucks for FPS's, use a trackball for best results, and the graphics cards are almost always Intel Intergrated.

Red Alert and Baldurs Gate work nicely.

It's a Wacom. Behind a screen. It works the same as any OTHER Wacom, behind a screen. I have no idea if it can be used with this oline game, you haven't told me what it is yet.

And if he's making it at cost to himself and giving it away free for anyone elseI don't see how you should be making fun of him. Be nice!  ;)


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: jeremyx on January 24, 2007, 08:13:40 AM
whats a trackball... =/ lol can the cursor instead of blinking to the point on your tablet drag itself rapidly from its last touch point? what the main question is games like counter strike and the one i play use's ingame cursors n stuff so is it compatible


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Drewid on January 24, 2007, 09:30:54 AM
I tried it with Half Life 2,  It was the first thing I tried after drawing  ;D   and it didn't work. However some people have got a WIImote working using some sort of mod or by tweaking drivers, so something might be doable.  Might be worth some more research.


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: jeremyx on January 24, 2007, 10:38:46 AM
defiantly the game i play has about 300 players and its madly addictive its very low qual and can pretty much run on a p2 lol if there is a way to use a pen with it would give me an insane advantage


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: dynam1c on January 24, 2007, 02:26:20 PM
Jeremyx stop holding secrets man.. tell us the name of the game if its so addictive lets all have a go.. UNLESS your afraid... that we will kick your a$$ in the game :P


but pen games.. !! now that sounds like fun.. Try world of warcraft (i stopped playing it as it just became sad after a month and I had exams !!) with a tablet.. damn fun..

erm what else have i played

Total war series including the latest medieval 2.. (makes controlling the camera alot easier)
warcraft 3
All the old lucas games (using the pc scumm engine) wonderful to play with tablet as all are point and click

Thats about it really, I wouldnt dream of playing Counter Strike with the tablet I had tried but it just wasnt working so well rapidly tapping against the tablet also ruined the cover.


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: jeremyx on January 25, 2007, 01:18:02 AM
yeah i think it would be a very fun sorta hack and as for the game i play... eh its like a drug dont waste any time of your life on it its so addictive and to start from scratch with all the stupid updates at this point is nearly impossible


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: wei803 on January 27, 2007, 06:28:43 AM
OK, I just got my Intuos3 9x12   :o
Done the paper stack test. I get awesome I.3 cm result !


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Tanassi on January 27, 2007, 06:36:15 PM
LUCKY MAN! ;D

on my Ultrapad 12x18" i've got the poor value of 5mm :(
and there are 7.5mm between the tablet surface and sensor surface.
total 12.5mm between sensor and maximum proximity. hoped better. 


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Tanassi on January 29, 2007, 09:39:50 AM
question for Drew.

i have read on your tutorial that you measured 9mm depth when tested your Ultrapad 12*12".
how can is this possible while Wacom declares 5mm of proximity distance on the whole Ultrapad series?
i can understand 6 or 7mm but 9! yours it's a very lucky tablet ;D
and i'm a little invidious of the 13mm value measured by Wei!

vince


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: wei803 on January 29, 2007, 09:58:55 AM
ok, will double check again... lol.
how should i proof it here? hmm...


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Tanassi on January 29, 2007, 01:17:42 PM
don't worry WEI,

i belive in your mearurement and in Drew's too ;D
surely the Intuos 3 technology is better then Intuos 1 or Ultrapad, and this reflects also on the value of proximity distance.

Vince


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Drewid on January 29, 2007, 01:57:43 PM
I'm getting about 3mm now.


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Switz on February 23, 2007, 03:01:55 AM
Its possible that they meant 5 mm with the case on.  4 mm for the case mabye? I dont know


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Drewid on February 23, 2007, 08:48:58 AM
The tablet firmware has settings for a couple of different depths from the sensor.  Not that I can remember what they are right now . ::)


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Switz on February 24, 2007, 11:01:12 PM
Wow, somehow I just tested my UD-1212-R and I scored 13 mm!!!


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Tanassi on February 25, 2007, 10:44:12 AM
@Switz: did you measure from the sensor or from the dressed pad?

@Drew: do you know how to change these different values?

thanks to all... Vince


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Switz on February 25, 2007, 08:54:06 PM
from sensor


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Drewid on February 25, 2007, 10:39:55 PM
You can adjust all sorts of useful stuff Usong the UDCONFIG utility from the Wacom site.  There's a link to it in the "useful links" board.

 You have to run it from DOS, I made up a boot floppy to run it.


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Tanassi on March 01, 2007, 08:45:54 AM
Hi Drew,

i used UDCONFIG to change some settings of my Ultrapad and about the depth sensing distance it gives the choice of only two values: 8mm and 0mm ???
my tablet is already setted at 8mm i tryed 0mm but when back in windows nothing was changed ???
i'll do some further test ;D
in the meanwhile i'm bidding for an intuos I 12*18" ;D
bye... Vince


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Tanassi on March 06, 2007, 08:48:25 AM
OK guys,

i have made some mess with my ultrapad configuration, the tablet doesn't work well because i changed something with the UDCONFIG and i don't remember the original settings, stupid that i am!
ther's some good soul that can show me  up the screen of the UDCONFIG with the original settings of his ultrapad?

thanks so much... Vince


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: colinus on March 06, 2008, 02:46:47 PM
Incredible.... from my naked intuos 3 A4 board, I have... 33 mm to the pen stroke... I've measured four times, and it's correct.
ps: I don't give cocaine to my wacom for breakfast, I promise!!

 ;D
youhoooooooo!



Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Switz on March 06, 2008, 07:33:03 PM
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: occutit on May 16, 2008, 06:54:08 AM
i got 1.3mm from surface, not come from sensor.
My tablet used it's wacom intous2 A3


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: occutit on May 16, 2008, 07:54:14 AM
update: about 15mm from sensor   >:(
what i need to do with my A3 tablet and S IPS panel, it's so thick, about 2,xx cm, i beliv


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Drewid on May 16, 2008, 08:27:39 PM
Depends. You could try to find a thinner monitor, use EL film (expensive and not necessarily bright enough but might be worth a try),  Polish the backlight slab down a bit.   

Anyone else got any ideas?


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: occutit on May 17, 2008, 02:35:30 AM
problem solved :D


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: wei803 on January 07, 2009, 06:19:04 AM
I need some help, can someone with Bamboo Medium give it a try?
I might start another project this year combining a netbook.


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: iRoc on April 25, 2009, 12:31:45 AM
I have a question guys. How are you measuring to get your results?

I used a paper back book and added subtracted chunks of pages till i got the maximum distance of usable reception  from the surface of one of my Intuous 3s That came out to 5/8 of an inch which I believe converts to 15.875 mm.  I saw 33mm.  I am guessing that is from sensor buried in the bottom of the tablet?


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Drewid on April 28, 2009, 01:18:53 PM
Yep. the sensor is a few mm under the drawing surface.   For example on a UD1212 it's 5-6mm underneath.


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: iRoc on April 29, 2009, 04:43:42 AM
Kewl. Thank You.

So yesterday I took my 6x8 and put it behind my Vaio VGN-N220E screen and got no signal at all. It's thinner than the usable area from the sensor. I am guessing perhaps there is a layer of shielding that blocks the pens magnetic field. That's not the screen I plan on using, or the tablet. It was just to see. I'm no expert, but I'm sure plastic electronics housings are painted with shielding coatings. I'm sure that played a part in my results.



Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Drewid on April 30, 2009, 01:40:09 PM
Yes. monitors tend to be very well shielded, these will certainly break that test. 
Another good test is to try that the other way round with the tablet on the top. (at least with the monitor you are planning to use).  It should give a good indication as to whether you'll get jitter with that particular combination.

Obviously if you can do this before paying for the monitor then so much the better  ;)


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: iRoc on April 30, 2009, 08:18:04 PM
Oh the tablet has worked flawlessly over all of the four monitors I have tested it "over," only two of which are candidates at this time.  They are a Balance 15" and a Dell inspiron 5100 laptop. Both of which the screen dimensions are 9x12. If I get the Balance to work I will them turn the laptop into a mobi-tiq. Oh but at this moment it's all just dreams  :-\


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Gem on June 14, 2009, 11:31:10 PM
Hell no!!!!

Penabled is as good as any of this stuff. It's a derivative of the old UD1212 tablets (Even the pens will work interchangeably)

256 pressure levels, 2000lpi!

I'm not talking about a touch sensitive display, this is a Wacom product baby!

Ive used them before, having 1/8th the sensitivity of an intuos (hell, half the sensitivity of a bamboo) was noticeable.  Prolly still better than some third party tablets though.

On the upside, they have a nice form factor


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Patterick on January 28, 2010, 05:36:38 PM
Has anyone tried a build with the Intuos3 A4 oversize yet?


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: cellofaan on August 21, 2010, 09:36:17 AM
My graphire3 XL has about 11mm above the sensor.


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: DeanmodPC on October 06, 2010, 10:03:43 PM
Just found out that the Bamboo Fun by Wacom has 8mm of depth from the surface of the tablet before the pen starts to cut out.



Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: Smithers on April 30, 2012, 11:29:46 AM
My Bamboo Create (CTH-670) starts seeing the pen about 11mm above the tablet surface.


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: stk2008stk on October 17, 2012, 11:48:54 PM
Hi all I have a tevion MD41217 and would like to add some thing here.

You lot may all ready know this but

I was taking my tablet apart to try and fix an issue I have.

I removed the large steal plate that sits behind the pad and though I would test it without.

Well I did and wow I can move the pen at least 1" above the drawing surface now and it still moves.

This at the moment dont help me as I have to fix another issue I have but thought some one may find it helpfull.


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: bernard on October 18, 2012, 09:28:21 PM
great stuff.  Yeah, that back plate appears to either raise the reading height or do the reverse. Weird.


Title: Re: depth sensor information
Post by: lazy_mosquito on November 28, 2012, 03:49:31 PM
On an intuos4 XL i get perfect signal 17 mm on top of the PCB. 21mm with sometimes a glitch.