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Kandyman-iac
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« on: February 11, 2010, 11:42:37 PM »

Howdy, this is my first REAL post since I my latest bout of stalking this forum over the last 2 months. I came here about 18 months ago, was put off by my initial research into prices of technology here in Australia and thought nothing more of it. Then recently I blundered in again after noticing the size correlation between my CTE-630 Graphire 3 6 x 8inch Wacom tabet and my 10" netbook. After some more thinking my enthusiam was dampened. BUT and thats a big J-Lo-esque BUTT, I found that the second hand technology prices in Australia were not what I feared. And I am now ready to commit to the process of possibly breaking hundreds of dollars worth of technology. So I've decided to go with a tradition 15" arrangement...
 
Step 1. I've just won myself a GD-0912-A Digital tablet off ebay this afternoon, that is said to be in pristine condition, and to even include the necessary imate ABD to USB adapater. And it only cost me $90 and I don't have to pay postage because I can pick it up from the seller who is only a suburb away. CHA-CHING on my way
 
Step 2. the LCD.... first things first, I've driven myself NUTS looking at LVDS and LCD Panel options. I can't find any clear solutions or information. Any website I find in regards to controller boards only deal with wholesalers. SO i unless I get gifted a 15" 1600x1200 LCD and board combo out of the blue, its down to striping a second hand monitor for me.
       
        Step 2b. Sourcing the fecking thing. Second hand monitors in a 15" 4:3 ratio with an external power supply are starting to become SERIOUSLY rare in this country, I would say something stupid like "someone must be eating them" but thats physically unlikely and bound to make people think I sniff paint until I see 7 foot silicon based computer component eating monsters. SO where to look, I've managed to source a number of options... nothing I feel too keen on.
        My local Cash converters in the Mebourne CBD (the one near the Victoria Markets) has a couple of options, but NOTHING that has been tried and tested on this forum. So through a lot of phone calls and thumbing through the trading post I found a second hand dealer who has refurbished computer stock and has ONE, SINGULAR, Dell 1503fp. SO I'm off to buy it on the weekend (if its still there, otherwise I suspect I'll end up bummed out and and cutting myself with old DDR1 ram chips to let out the pain.)
 
Step 3. THE CASE, now this is the part I'm most confused about I think I'll try and stuff as much back into the Wacom case as possible, but I'm not sure what to use for spacing, I saw someone on this forum using styrofoam, and other using cardboard, and I was rather worried about the possibility of heat and fire. But as I have no firm ideas myself its back to trawling through build logs and figuring out what I can work with within my limitations. (I recently purchased about 4 rolls of gaffer tape and one of electrical tape.)
 
Step 4. (and up) I also now have to double check what extending cables I will need and whether or not to colour or ornament me design... probably not.
 
Ooooh final thought, as a major part of the DIY Cintiq community seems to revolve around the naming of the device I've decided to use part of my last name (Frankland), and as such decided I will be calling mine the FranTiq. Which I think aptly names the feelings and sensation I'm getting at I go to build and use this device Cheesy...
 
I'm a cartoonist who has always coveted the CINTIQ while never being able to afford one, and resented Wacoms complete greed inregards to the creation of their devices. And while doing a million things at once I've become excited about the chance to draw directly onto the screen with any real precision. Knocking around with a smaller tablet has been frustrating, and as such I've only ever used it to COLOUR artwork, its always been quicker to draw on paper and scan things in... until now hopefully.


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Is there already a necessary parts list of extenders for the use of the dell 1503fp?  
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2010, 05:48:01 AM »

You're using a Mac right?  'cause the ADB-USB thingy will never work on Windows. 
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2010, 05:56:55 AM »

15 inch high-res come from laptops mainly. In big companies, "older" laptop typically piles up. And yes, unless you find a great deal (as in free), this can be costly.
About LVDS: there is no way you can find good-enough info on cheap LVDS boards just be reading the net. You have to send emails to the 2 folks we know that sells them (in China) and tell them the LCD Panel make and model.  BTW, I do not know when was the last time anybody received an email from any of the two contacts. Hoping that they are still around.
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2010, 11:58:00 AM »

Hey Bernard, according to this...
http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/imate/
the imate ADB-USB is fully Windows XP compatible.

Though I can't find any windows gd-0912-a drivers (because research says they don't exist), BUT not really an issue if this isn't possible as my main machine is a complete gender swapping dual booting hackintosh!
OS X 10.5.2 at the moment, but I'm considering snow leopard...
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2010, 05:10:57 AM »

The adapter itself might be compatible with windows XP -- but you won't find anything in Windows that would actually use ADB (even if going through USB) to start with!   It could only work for "well known" ADB devices like a mouse or a keyboard.
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2010, 06:01:43 AM »

Yeah I looked into the ADB-USB thing and from my research, because the Wacom tablets have to send so much information, these things don't typically work with them.
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2010, 10:07:37 PM »

ADB signaling rate is 125 kbit/s MAX (and they mention it is really only half the speed, but I won't go into that).

USB 1.1 can go up to 12 Mbit/s -- that's  ~ 12000 kbit/s or about...  96 times faster.
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2010, 07:18:40 AM »

My GD-0912-A wacom tablet has arrived. All neatly packaged and pretty looking. I've been spending a fair bit of time staring at the tabletmagic forums trying to get a sense of the scope of the drivers being created for ADB tablets, and if I'm wasting my time waiting 6 months or more for them to be perfected, as well as updating the driver for the imate USB dongle for later versions of OS X.

For addition reading on the subject:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/tabletmagic/forums/forum/368563/topic/2024815
http://sourceforge.net/projects/tabletmagic/forums/forum/368563/topic/3303024

So for those that have sourced ADB tablets we might get lucky in the next 12 months with the new drivers being written. But let's be honest, I doubt it.

Now onto the monitor, also known as reason number 2 while I drink. I managed to source a dell 1503fp... A little pricey at $70. It took me 2 hours of calling around all the second hand dealers I could be bothered looking up in the Melbourne area. When I found it, it turns out to be I Glen Waverly (about 45 min drive from my home in the CBD) and when i get there. The fudging power supply doesn't work so I can't test it. He tells me he'll contact the suplier and call me, but I hear nothing ever again. So the hunt continues.

Finally on to my Mac, OR to be actually honest my Hac (Hackintosh). 
I recently had to wipe it, Not because of any issues with the Mac portion, but because one of my media HDD was on the fritz so I was forced to wipe the Mac purely for emergency space to store important files. The machine worked like a dream, mainly the dream of a mid-high end mac pro for under $600.  
In the meantime I'm trying a new install on an older P4 machine that has been living in the corner of my room doing diddly. So it can have an upgrade and become a dedicated art machine with an OS X install. Only fiddly problem is getting the install to take, at the moment it reboots endlessly which means I haven't matched the right kernel to the machine yet. but I'll crack it.

And till then it's back to the monitor hunt.

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