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« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2011, 03:37:52 PM »

I wasn't thinking about tape per-se when I said reinforcement. I didn't have anything set in mind, but what about building a kind of mini "cage"/shaft around the connection and taping the ribbon where it enters the cage so that the cable itself is taking the pressure, rather than the connection to the board? That's assuming the ribbon itself is more resilient.
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« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2011, 08:50:59 PM »

Thanks, I think I was making fuzzy math in an effort to turn it into 16:9 (assuming that Wacom was using a normal aspect ratio). But either way, I should wait to measure which my model is: http://www.wacom.com/en/Products/Intuos/Compare.aspx

shows 487.7mm x 304.8mm for the XL (16:10). So if there're two different ratio versions floating around I should probably wait and see what I get before shopping for a panel.

Ha, you are right! 487.7mm x 304.8mm really is a proper 16:10 ratio - makes you wonder which size is the correct one... I was looking at this page, and it lists it as  462 mm x 305 mm.

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I think you've got it reversed. By my figures, 21.5" (17.2"x12.9") covers the vertical dimension, but is slightly short on the horizontal. 25" would actually be overkill in both dimensions (20"x15"). 23" (18.4"x13.8") seems to be the best common ground, if it turns out to not be 16:10.

Right again... I was using tvcalculator.com to get the figures, but what i didn't notice is that the dimensions it showed were actually the size of a 4:3 image INSIDE the 16:9/16:10 screen! So yeah, 17.2"x12.9" is the correct size for a 21.5'' LCD and it should fit the bill  Tongue 23'' also works, as long as it doesn't cover the buttons...

Well it came and apparently it's 19.2" not 18.2" so the it's basically 16:10. I might have to forgo LED backlit in order to find a screen that matches.
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« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2011, 08:55:55 PM »

With all the numbers and the posts, I am not following very well.  Embarrassed

What came? An Intuos4?  Can you tell the exact model and width/height sizes (mm or inches)?  I want to keep this valuable info in the wiki.
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« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2011, 09:08:22 PM »

With all the numbers and the posts, I am not following very well.  Embarrassed

What came? An Intuos4?  Can you tell the exact model and width/height sizes (mm or inches)?  I want to keep this valuable info in the wiki.

Disclaimer: this is just using my measuring tape and the numbers in mm do not match exactly (but within experimental error) to what wacom states on their comparison chart.

This is the Intuos4 XL. I measured 490x302mm, which would make it 16:10. But like I said earlier in this thread, there may also be an older version with a wacky format closer to ~3:2. Everyone should measure their own tablet to double check dimensions before ordering a screen for it or building a case. If they get a newer Intuos4 XL, it SHOULD be similar to mine. Just stressing that people should be careful to double check everything at each step. Smiley
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« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2011, 10:16:53 PM »

It's always best to measure things!  Wink
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« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2011, 10:27:02 PM »

...and what would be the model number (is it a "PTK-1240" ?)  trying to find a way to (eventually) distinguish "~3:2" XL vs. "16:10" XL just by looking at the product sticker
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« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2011, 10:42:48 PM »

...and what would be the model number (is it a "PTK-1240" ?)  trying to find a way to (eventually) distinguish "~3:2" XL vs. "16:10" XL just by looking at the product sticker

Yes, that's the model# but as far as I'm aware all Intuos4s of the given size have that. I'll take a look later on tonight/tomorrow and see if I can find any other markings that might serve to differentiate.
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« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2011, 10:48:45 PM »

Speaking of aspect ratios:  *All* the Intuos4 tablets (but the XL) are 16:10 exactly.  Do we have evidence that an Intuos4 XL of 18.2 x 12 really exists or is this just a big typo from Wacom?  18.2 <-> 19.2 really looks like a typo and that would thus mean:  487.7 mm by 304.8 mm

I just saw that the my bongofish wiki was saying 487.7mm and 18.2 inches  (contradictory!) -- I guess I picked that from different sources(?)  I changed it for 19.2  (but with a note for 18.2 -- maybe there are 18.2 tablets?).

EDIT: the Intuos4 Manual also states 19.2 and 487.7mm -- my guess: the web page has a typo and lots of people are feeding from that page. -- It also states 16:10 in the section "General Specifications For All Intuos 4 Tablets".
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« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2011, 11:15:55 PM »

Speaking of aspect ratios:  *All* the Intuos4 tablets (but the XL) are 16:10 exactly.  Do we have evidence that an Intuos4 XL of 18.2 x 12 really exists or is this just a big typo from Wacom?  18.2 <-> 19.2 really looks like a typo and that would thus mean:  487.7 mm by 304.8 mm

I just saw that the my bongofish wiki was saying 487.7mm and 18.2 inches  (contradictory!) -- I guess I picked that from different sources(?)  I changed it for 19.2  (but with a note for 18.2 -- maybe there are 18.2 tablets?).

EDIT: the Intuos4 Manual also states 19.2 and 487.7mm -- my guess: the web page has a typo and lots of people are feeding from that page. -- It also states 16:10 in the section "General Specifications For All Intuos 4 Tablets".

Since the other ones are also 16:10, my guess (unless proven otherwise) is that it's just a typo - probably propagated around the internet because the main product page states the typo while only the comparison page lists the correct dimensions.
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« Reply #39 on: August 30, 2011, 05:27:54 PM »

hey guys, so many people are not too good at computing Math.sqrt(x*x + y*y) (and variants) and not realizing that there is a difference between a 15 inch widescreen and 15 inch 4:3. So I've decided to build my own online tool -- targeted at DIY simtiqs specifically.  I have been thinking about this for a long time but your recent exchange got me going. Smiley  Thanks to you!

http://forum.bongofish.co.uk/index.php?topic=1984.0
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« Reply #40 on: August 30, 2011, 08:18:08 PM »

Nice link. Makes me not have to do the calculation myself. But on a side note, it appears there's just about no 23" monitors out there that're 1920x1200. Discounting the $600 NEC's, the only ones out there are used Cinema Displays and seems like a colossal waste for a set that might not even work. I looked at the older 23" SM and that doesn't look like it's workable (might be a non-removable board in top center). Additionally the ADC adapter is another $150. The newer one is likewise ~$400 used. I'm thinking the best solution is a 21 or 22" 16:9 IPS and an extension cable (yeah I know). It's disappointing to me that manufacturers aren't making 16:10 23"ers anymore.
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« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2011, 08:32:54 PM »

Have you checked if there are any old 23'' monitors?

@bernard - thanks again for this tool! It's a bit too late for me, but newcomers will find it very useful!
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« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2011, 08:43:46 PM »

Have you checked if there are any old 23'' monitors?

@bernard - thanks again for this tool! It's a bit too late for me, but newcomers will find it very useful!

there sure are, but I'm not going to spend $300-400 for a used monitor. Especially when 16:9 monitors are under $200 new.

When they were still being manufactured, there were some others (HP, Philips, Benq, Sony) that also made monitors and some of them were pretty cheap, esp. refurbs from major stores. But now there's only used Apple's. Any of the others that're still around online are asking big bucks that don't make sense in the context of trying to build a cintiq on the cheap.
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« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2011, 01:59:28 AM »

I found a great 22" 16:10 PVA screen on ebay for 80£ the guy said that it as several of them ... maybe he still have one ? the screen is a Lenovo ThinkVision L220x. Very hard to find now but an amazing screen.

Or in 16:10 you also have the LG W2220P which is great but with a lower resolution.

I personally choose a 16:9 screen for my A3 build because those screen are not LED and have integrated PSU. As I didn't know how it would behave ( jitter and all) I prefered to buy a recent one... but those are still GREAT screens.
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« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2011, 05:26:52 AM »

I would say that beyond the sizes and everything, some of those IPS monitors tend to be thick -- (Talking about the LCD Panel). Typically that is because the backlight is... in the back! (not on the side like laptops).    I have an IPS with 6 (!!) CCFL lamps. I never "saw" the lamps, but they are not on the side for sure.

I never tested but having the backlight lamps in the back sounds like it is going to interfere with the wacom.
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